The Project Pad

Ok so Paint?

1) I LOVE the Graphite Metallic. Yea its darker but its so Hot looking. Thats my Number one vote.

Then in no particular order:

Also love that Deep, Dark Red that was really rare. I cant find a pic of it anywhere but there is someone in North America with one. Its not port Rose. Its much darker, almost a maroon.

I love the dark blue. "Helios??"

I've never seen that lighter (Oceanic) blue on an Ur before but this pic somone unknown fan took at the Museum looks nice. See below

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zarati wrote:

ShavedQuattro wrote:I got some urS rear 280mm x 20mm vented rear disks and just need to get some 4kq ebrakes stuff to make that work. I also need to figure out how to make 130mm cups fit into the later 4piece 4.11 dif housing wihtout going torsen.

According to Martin you can use the 5ktq Output shafts. I have already disassembled a 5ktq Diff and have the parts sitting here waiting to try it. They are the same 130mm cups as the ur though.

I can take more detailed pics if you need. Next step is to disassemble the CQ Tranny I have sitting in the Garage.

Your project is looking Great BTW. Good work. I LOVE that intake.

Thanks,
The output flanges or shafts? I would be itnerested in seeing the output flangse like the picture I have above of the 4kq flanges(cups) and the 9020v flanges(cups) Got those pics?

Oh, and everything on the car is always for sale that looks like I made it!!
I would give you dibs on it, but I think it is sold

Here is a picture from his old project thread.


Project thread here...

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtop ... sc&start=0


Graphite Metallic is gorgeous, IMHO

I remember him bringing that 4k to Treffen here one year, it was awesome...whatever happened with it?

ShavedQuattro wrote:

zarati wrote:

ShavedQuattro wrote:I got some urS rear 280mm x 20mm vented rear disks and just need to get some 4kq ebrakes stuff to make that work. I also need to figure out how to make 130mm cups fit into the later 4piece 4.11 dif housing wihtout going torsen.

According to Martin you can use the 5ktq Output shafts. I have already disassembled a 5ktq Diff and have the parts sitting here waiting to try it. They are the same 130mm cups as the ur though.

Thanks,
The output flanges or shafts? I would be itnerested in seeing the output flangse like the picture I have above of the 4kq flanges(cups) and the 9020v flanges(cups) Got those pics?

Output flanges, the 4kq are 100mm and the 5ktq are 108mm and match the Ur-q CVs.

In Europe both late Ur-q and S2 had the small diff with 108mm flanges, only difference between them was Ur-q was 3.89 and S2 was 4.11

Cheers

So you think you could just get some 5ktq cups and drop them into the later 4 piece small chassis diff to achieve the 4.11 with 108mm cups Martin?

ShavedQuattro wrote:So you think you could just get some 5ktq cups and drop them into the later 4 piece small chassis diff to achieve the 4.11 with 108mm cups Martin?

Yup. Thats what he told me (If I understood properly). I'll try and take some pics this weekend showing exactly what you asked for. But the 5ktq cups (output flanges) DO match the size of the urq rear inner CV's.

For that matter for people running the older style Diff & 016 Tranny. YOu can take a 4kq tranny and drop in the urq Output flanges. Or you can find an early 84' 4kq and the rear output flanges are the same as the early urq. For a 5-bolt conversion you can find a set of those and put them in the front with matching urq/4kq rear axles. IE...what I'm trying to say as early 84' 4kq's had the same rear axle/CV and output shafts as the 83/84 Urq's.

I know that hte halfshafts will work just fine with the 108. That isnt the issue. I need a way to get a 4 piece rear diff housing(the 84s had a one piece) with larger 108 output flanges. I have a set of 84 4kq flanges and obviously my URQ flanges as well. The problem wit hthe 4kq flanges is that they are not the same teeth on the inside gear to engage and disengage the rear diff as the later 9020v units. I do not know how the other 20v later cars with 4.11s look. In other words, I can not siimply drop the 4kq or URQ cups into the 4.11 9020v diff and have a solution. Maybe I can take a part the 90 diff and swap out the gears with the 4kq gears and make a happy customer. I dont have the 4kq diff though and was hoping for some clues befre I buy one

Gotchas.
5ktq is the same as the CQ output shaft. Or so I'm told. I'm take some pics for you later this weekend. I beleive the only time you run into a depth issue is when you go to the V8 torsen which has the longer shafts. So what you need is a 5000tq or 200q rear differential to pull the flanges off of.

Again, I'll try to grab my Diff on Sunday and snap a pic or two of the CQ & 5ktq flanges sitting next to each other.

ShavedQuattro wrote:I need a way to get a 4 piece rear diff housing(the 84s had a one piece) with larger 108 output flanges.

That's where you use the 5ktq rear diff flanges.

ShavedQuattro wrote: I do not know how the other 20v later cars with 4.11s look. In other words, I can not siimply drop the 4kq or URQ cups into the 4.11 9020v diff and have a solution.

All small diffs (4 piece) from 4kq/CQ/90 use the same locking ring with same # of teeth.
So, all you need is a rear diff from a 1985.5 and up 4kq, 90q, CQ and throw in 5ktq rear flanges (the locking rign will engage the drivers side 5ktq one). In fact 200 quattro read diff or even UrS4 rear diff flanges will work.

Hope this helps.

For future just refer to them as small and large diff because 4kq came with both and calling it 4kq is a bit confusing.

a_CQ wrote:I remember him bringing that 4k to Treffen here one year, it was awesome...whatever happened with it?

One of Redig's friends on here snagged t, then it disappeared into oblivion. If you look at the last pages of the build thread you see the "new" owner and updates.

I saw that car only once, when it was in Gregs' parents garage with the old engine out. That car was INSANELY clean. Oddly enough I had talked with the guy who used to own the car on AIM a few years before Greg got it, kinda weird how it worked out.

There have been various threads come up about the car, where its at, etc. Id love to see it if its still around.
Greg also had a Zermatt 4kq, quite nice. I think at Carlisle 2006 Steve Ankney and I were walking down the Audi line, pass the car and both say "that looks like Gregs old car", then immediately take a few steps, look back and say "THAT IS GREGS OLD CAR!!" Absolutely crazy that it showed up there.

Audi community = very odd and circular

ralleyquattro wrote:

ShavedQuattro wrote:I need a way to get a 4 piece rear diff housing(the 84s had a one piece) with larger 108 output flanges.

That's where you use the 5ktq rear diff flanges.

ShavedQuattro wrote: I do not know how the other 20v later cars with 4.11s look. In other words, I can not siimply drop the 4kq or URQ cups into the 4.11 9020v diff and have a solution.

All small diffs (4 piece) from 4kq/CQ/90 use the same locking ring with same # of teeth.
So, all you need is a rear diff from a 1985.5 and up 4kq, 90q, CQ and throw in 5ktq rear flanges (the locking rign will engage the drivers side 5ktq one). In fact 200 quattro read diff or even UrS4 rear diff flanges will work.

Hope this helps.

For future just refer to them as small and large diff because 4kq came with both and calling it 4kq is a bit confusing.

That is a nice bit of information Martin. I will try and talk Dave out of his spare s6 rear diff and go to town on it.

I was refering to long snout and short snouts as my reference to diff size. The URQ and early 4kqs still have a small diff, but it is a big one piece(yet short snout). The large chassis cars got the big diffs with the larger snout. I can see where it woudl be very confusing though.

Just hope it's not the EDL S6. Although I don't think US got any.
In Canada the 1996 S6 with EDL did not have a lockable rear diff.. how sad is that?

The US got "95.5" S6's- they were 1996 model year cars that Audi sold as 1995's. They couldn't sell them as 96's because they weren't OBDII compliant, so they just sold anything built in calendar 95 as a "95", even though the 96 model year build started in July.

I've got 2 in my driveway- both December build, w/5 channel ABS and EDL. My Avant just got a Torsen rear diff, which fixes the problem.

The 95.5's got a lot of other improvements that the early card didn't have, so I actually prefer the 95.5 cars.

boxflares wrote:The 95.5's got a lot of other improvements that the early card didn't have, so I actually prefer the 95.5 cars.

Like what?
Sorry for the HiJack. Brief or PM'd would be fine. I thought it was just the EDL.

I'd prefer a post...I'd like to know as well.

Eric

nismo wrote:I'd prefer a post...I'd like to know as well.

Eric

:stupid:

ibis white is my vote = pure sex on wheels

or maybe casablanca but one of those two!!!!!!111

nismo wrote:I'd prefer a post...I'd like to know as well.

Eric

I'd already PM'd and didn't want to TJ, but due to popular demand:

The 95.5 cars (and the 96 and 97 Canadian cars) got:
- 5 channel ABS (accelerometer added) and EDL. This is something of a downgrade, since if one front and one rear wheel lose traction you're screwed, but you can fix it by replacing the stock open rear diff with a torsen diff from a V8.
- One touch windows- up/down in the front, down only in the back
- Late build cars (mine are both December builds) got the wide first gear 01E.
- No ProCon10- switched over to explosive tensioning
- Gamma radio (easier to upgrade to Concert I or II)
- Middle sun visor
- All had Avus wheels and Sport steering wheel (it was a running change in 1995, so the early S6's got the 4 spoke steering wheel and Fuchs)
- All 95.5s also got the extra rear door speakers- again, a running change.
- Last but not least, cloth instead of vinyl door panels.

The main benefits are the one touch down/up, middle sun visor, and Gamma radio. I've owned every model year of S-car, and I've kept the 95.5s. I posted a quick overview of the model year changes and my favorites on QW- link below.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/25624.phtml

The cost for derailing my thread is the old locker cups from when you(or anybody out htere??) swapped over to torsen!!

ShavedQuattro wrote:The cost for derailing my thread is the old locker cups from when you(or anybody out htere??) swapped over to torsen!!

You're welcome to whatever you want out of my old diff, but remember it's a 95.5 so it's not a locker. Do they have to be locker cups?

Ah, yeah, it needs to be a locker diff. Very kind of you however. Thank you.

4kq locker cups work?

ShavedQuattro wrote: media blast the removeable panels(trunk doors, hood, fenders)

be careful with blasting sheetmetal, if ur guy doesnt know what he's doing you can warp the piss outta sheetmetal. it can stretch and move stuff so its warped really bad. ask how i know....

my2000apb wrote:4kq locker cups work?

Nope. Either the wrong splines on the shaft (early) or wrong size where it bolts to the CV (late model). 5ktq/200q cups have the right splines and the right "LARGE" size for the CV.

Hank, I'll hit the Pull-n-Save yard tomorrow if I have time and see if there are any 5ktq/200's there. I'll make a few calls, there has got to be a rear diff around here somewhere that needs to be stripped.